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Til gruppen med Varun fra Susan

mine notater fra møtet med Varun Vidyarthi, 12 sept 08

tilstede: andreas, esmail, louise, miguel, mauricio, selv.

Takk til Truls Gedde Dahl, som sørget for at Varun kunne ta et besøk med oss.

tid fra 9 – 10 30.

mitt inntrykk; jeg har fått MYE igjen fra dette. (my impression; I have got MUCH from this)

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som utgangspunkt hadde jeg summert vår situasjon som bakgrunn for diskusjonen:

As a background: our questions: / våre spørsmål

we work with / vi arbeider med

sustainable neighborhoods / bærerkaftig nærmiljø

inclusion of our differnces / inkludere våre forskjeller

cooperation between volunteers and public sector / samarbeid mellom frivllige og offentlig sektor

action which transform – our common method? / handling som transformere- vår felles metode?

My notes from Varun’s talk and our discussion:

working towards Collective Reflection. difficult.

our facilitation:

enabling people to ask question: What is life?

is life having things? what sustains?

in everyday life: tension, stress cause problems. no sustainability.

what is the meaning of relationships? in families, friends, work and neighborhoods.

to facililitate: learn the perspective of self and other.

facilitator: to know ones self.

amongst ourselves. the work is to begin with the self.

ourselves.

there will be conflicts. problems.

how to identify the components of the problems within our selves.

what is it that I get agitated by?

begin in the brain, mind. mind games cause agitations.

a constant process.

know oneself: take pleasure in what you do

as opposed to

do something for pleasure.

facilitate:

people change their lives themselves.

working with groups:

homogenous groups.

the people will define their own groups---

the groups will define themselves and create their own comfort level.

economically homogenous / other ways. are they willing to pool resources?

what is their faith in the group? can bring their faith into practice / group.

singing? prayer?

sustainability _ money resources.

where there is life is a need for systems-

systems can vary and be created by the group.

enables and adds transparency.

you have to start / ( stop ) somewhere!

people working it out their own way. not the way of the facilitator.

for us as facilitators: What are we trying to achieve? living for what purpose?

what is the purpose of what I am doing?

forming groups amongst ourselves: what we can start with:

collective reflections.

what are the fundamental questions? to get us to go deeper inside.

genuine.

let other people form their own groups.

form groups is difficult.

reflections is difficult.

what to do beyond the formation of groups?

beyond--- show the other communites. examples.

transformation discoveries

faciltitator must know, feel our own weaknesses. no super heroes.

strategies. to create larger possiblities to influence deciosn making. fear not failure.

we msut count in the failures!

money as aid to others: not for things or experts but for the capacitaion of slef help groups.. training others to capacitate self.

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these are my notes. may you please send your notes to everyone who was in the group?

then we can share these on computer.

at out first meeting we may reflect on what we felt / experienced at the meeting.

please make a note of your feeling and reflections as well.

Spanish, English or Norwegian, or other? … ok. we can help each other. write it bilingually if that is what you feel for. mix them up! be free!

you choose.